Comments on: Byron report will recommend film-style ratings, cigarette-like warnings and minimum 12 age for UK

By: patlike

patlike — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:06:08 +0000

She wrote the dossier and sealed it with hot wax and spit. You know she’s wearing stockings. And those necklaces are attached to nipple clamps. Fuck yeah. I bet she knows a thing or two about being “commissioned by Brown.”

By: grandmaster

grandmaster — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:11:53 +0000

As far as I can see, this is a dodgy dossier that government should be congratulated for ’sexing up.’

By: AMG

AMG — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:48:25 +0000

Seconded. She’s hot, and thatt’s the real discussion here. Strict too. I like that.

By: patlike

patlike — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:03:31 +0000

I so would. Sorry if you’re reading this, Tanya.

By: grandmaster

grandmaster — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:01:40 +0000

Byron: MILF.

Discuss.

By: Tonka

Tonka — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:41:31 +0000

How? Is being deemed un-child-friendly a sign of respectability and maturity? Is the fact that games are blamed for some vague “failed generation” scare a good thing?

By: Blerk

Blerk — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:41:29 +0000

Legally binding ratings should be a no-brainer, really. And it would help to have a single body rating all titles too.

But ratings still seem to be fairly inconsistent to me anyway. Take, for example, Final Fantasy XII - it’s rated 16+. I have no idea why - there’s no blood, no nudity, a (very) little mild sweariness, but that’s it. Yet it gains a 16+ rating.

Then we have Persona 3, a game which features high school students who regularly shoot themselves in the head with handguns in order to “release their inner demons”. This apparently warrants a 12+ rating. I’m having a little logic trouble here.

By: TJ

TJ — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:25:15 +0000

I think the crux is that these ratings will be legally enforceable, whereas PEGI is voluntary.

It’s ridiculous that age ratings aren’t currently required by law for games, and this will be a step closer to interactive entertainment becoming the mature and respectable medium it deserves to be.

By: Blerk

Blerk — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:37:01 +0000

I don’t mind cigarette-style warnings as long as they’re on the BACK of the box, not on the front. I likes my artwork, I don’t want half of the front cover taken up with a huge “WARNING: CONTAINS CARTOON ANGSTY TEENAGE METROSEXUALS” sign.

As for the ratings thing, I’m with Tonka. We already have a ratings system that’s clear as day but they’re saying plain doesn’t work. Different ratings will just confuse the matter more. They should’ve rallied behind PEGI and made the ratings legally binding rather than guidelines.

By: Tonka

Tonka — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:26:19 +0000

I misunderstood. Are they saying that the age rating will be enforced by law now? Will it become a crime to sell games to underaged?

My point is that games are rated already and it doesn’t work. Rating them with a different symbol won’t change this. It still won’t work.

No More Heroes could have been released under a 18 rating but who in their right mind would do that? Limit the market for a niche game would be stupid. Much like putting human blood in Lord of The Rings would have been stupid.

By: patlike

patlike — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:18:32 +0000

I just don’t see the problem. Games have legally-enforced warnings on the front: so what? They do need them, because at the moment anyone can buy them, and there are some very violent games out there. Films have ratings on the front, and they’re legally enforced: why should games be any different? As far as books go, there’s not really a need to rate them ion the same way because the content’s only accessible to adults anyway: a 10 year-old can’t read Marquis de Sade.

By: morriss

morriss — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:10:50 +0000

Well cigarette warnings have gone through several make overs over the last few years.

As long as the measure protects the games industry and keeps the media furore quiet, then I welcome our new clearly labelled warning overlords.

By: Hero of Canton

Hero of Canton — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:10:41 +0000

I actually think that if something like this was put in place and properly enforced, then publishers could be less likely to self-censor, as in No More Heroes.

Either way, I think Tanya Byron has approached this in a very mature and sensible way, understanding that there are problems but that games aren’t some kind of ultimate evil.

By: Tonka

Tonka — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:05:04 +0000

Why would this succeed where PEGI failed? Why jump on games? I’m not saying it should be a free for all like with books. I’m just saying they are trying to solve a problem the same way twice. And that games are being treated unfairly.

Reading Millers rants about the (self)censoring of comics in the US and the effect it has on that industry has made wary of rating systems.

Look at the blood/no blood shambles in No More Heroes for a recent example.

By: morriss

morriss — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:41:41 +0000

Yeah, it can’t really be a bad idea, can it? It’ll protect the industry too. Although I doubt the huge warning on the box will stop little Timmy getting a copy of GTA IV for his birthday and his parents screaming blue murder about it somewhere along the line.

By: patlike

patlike — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:27:07 +0000

I dunno. I don’t really see the problem. Manhunt was a stupid decision and it was overturned in the end, which left the BBFC very embarrassed. Like I said earlier, there’s definitely a case for this style of rating, imo, because there’s so little education on games in the general public. It still means you can play whatever you want: it just means children are less likely to be exposed to very violent games. I think you’ll see a lot of countries follow suit after this.

By: Tonka

Tonka — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:23:36 +0000

I think it’s unbalanced if you compare it to books and movies. Punish an industry for the stupidity of the populace also feel unfair to me.

That movie VAZ getting funding and Manhunt 2 being held back by the same government. Great work guys.

They should just turn Grand Theft Childhood into a documentary and pack it with every game.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Grand-Theft-Childhood-Surprising-Violent/dp/0743299515

By: morriss

morriss — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:14:39 +0000

Now America just needs to follow suit…

By: patlike

patlike — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:12:21 +0000

It needed doing, in my opinion. Games are unique in that there’s a big natural “kids” audience and there’s a lot of ignorance about what is and isn’t appropriate for children. Hopefully this should shut the press up.

By: morriss

morriss — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:05:04 +0000

I’d be all for that, tbh. Takes the pressure off the development companies and puts the onus back onto parents and the individual.

However, I do believe it’s a two-way street.