Comments on: DICE “surprised” by “very strong reaction” to Battlefield: Bad Company cash for weapons scandal http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/ This is the news Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:30:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: tantoedge http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7952 tantoedge Thu, 01 May 2008 18:48:44 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7952 Why don't we just attach a fucking coin slot to my PS3? Dice can go to hell, and every faggot in the game industry who's buying into this model. As more and more game developers start charging for idiotic content (songs, guns, levels) I'm boycotting more and more developers. Y'know, with Bethesda, for a couple bucks you got a Lot of content. That makes some sense there. I pay five bucks and I get a three hour quest and lots of nifty new stuff to fuck with. Awesome. That includes weapons, armors, npcs, buildings, and the scripts to tie it all together. In this case, Dice is going to charge, a buck? Two bucks? Five bucks? Per gun? Frankly, this is getting out of hand and if somebody doesn't set up some standards on this sort of shit, we're all going to be paying through the nose for schlock soon, but we'll always have you smart 'anal-yst' types to inform us silly consumerists, that developers make games 'for money'. Thanks asshole, its because of guys like you that we have instructions on shampoo bottles. Anybody who actually buys and supports this game is helping to hurt the games industry. By supporting it, you're telling EA, we don't mind. But we do mind. So do not support this game. Play something else, it's not as though this title has a stranglehold on the WW shooter market. Grow up and take a stand. Why don’t we just attach a fucking coin slot to my PS3?

Dice can go to hell, and every faggot in the game industry who’s buying into this model.
As more and more game developers start charging for idiotic content (songs, guns, levels) I’m boycotting more and more developers.

Y’know, with Bethesda, for a couple bucks you got a Lot of content.
That makes some sense there. I pay five bucks and I get a three hour quest and lots of nifty new stuff to fuck with. Awesome.

That includes weapons, armors, npcs, buildings, and the scripts to tie it all together.
In this case, Dice is going to charge, a buck? Two bucks? Five bucks? Per gun?

Frankly, this is getting out of hand and if somebody doesn’t set up some standards on this sort of shit, we’re all going to be paying through the nose for schlock soon, but we’ll always have you smart ‘anal-yst’ types to inform us silly consumerists, that developers make games ‘for money’.

Thanks asshole, its because of guys like you that we have instructions on shampoo bottles.

Anybody who actually buys and supports this game is helping to hurt the games industry. By supporting it, you’re telling EA, we don’t mind. But we do mind.

So do not support this game. Play something else, it’s not as though this title has a stranglehold on the WW shooter market. Grow up and take a stand.

]]> By: DrDamn http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7918 DrDamn Thu, 01 May 2008 12:57:50 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7918 Cash-in has negative conotations which imply very little done in order to make lots of cash. There is plenty of DLC which lots of work has obviously gone into and therefore is not a cash-in. As gamers we don't have any right to updates or even stuff which has shipped on the disc but needs unlocking. At the same time the content is being produced for gamers, so you have to present it in a way which the consumer finds acceptable. Cash-in has negative conotations which imply very little done in order to make lots of cash. There is plenty of DLC which lots of work has obviously gone into and therefore is not a cash-in.

As gamers we don’t have any right to updates or even stuff which has shipped on the disc but needs unlocking. At the same time the content is being produced for gamers, so you have to present it in a way which the consumer finds acceptable.

]]> By: TCEd http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7863 TCEd Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:58:15 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7863 This attempt failed for many reasons, & I agree with pjmaybe said: this is not really a win, only a smoke screen. The major reason they got this reaction is because they left their faithful base in the pc realm and put this game out for console. The BF series was grown & kept alive by the online pc gamers, we also bought every little thing that put out, which was nothing more really than a couple maps for BF2. The majority of console users average about 13 years old, you can check for recent studies & no parent, myself included, wants to have to buy stuff through the console. They should have stayed with the pc community and we would have made a lot of noise, but in the end we would have bought it all. They screwed up yet again. Answer, release BFBC for the pc and you can turn on your precious mircotansaction thingy! This attempt failed for many reasons, & I agree with pjmaybe said: this is not really a win, only a smoke screen. The major reason they got this reaction is because they left their faithful base in the pc realm and put this game out for console.

The BF series was grown & kept alive by the online pc gamers, we also bought every little thing that put out, which was nothing more really than a couple maps for BF2.

The majority of console users average about 13 years old, you can check for recent studies & no parent, myself included, wants to have to buy stuff through the console. They should have stayed with the pc community and we would have made a lot of noise, but in the end we would have bought it all. They screwed up yet again.

Answer, release BFBC for the pc and you can turn on your precious mircotansaction thingy!

]]> By: Freek http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7861 Freek Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:22:22 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7861 Gaming is entertainment. If people don't think it's fun, it's not gonna work, that simpel. The community clearly did not like pay for DLC weapons so DICE wisely scrapped the idea as an unhappy community does not help your sales. There is nothing wrong with keeping the fans happy. And as a fan there is nothing wrong in letting the developer know what you think. What's weird is that they expressly explained that they were not going to be doing pay for weapons in Battlefied Heroes and why it was a bad idea. A game by the same developer in the same franchise. But they magicly forgot that sound design decision when it came to Bad Company (wich was a retail game as opposed to the free Heroes)? Gaming is entertainment. If people don’t think it’s fun, it’s not gonna work, that simpel.
The community clearly did not like pay for DLC weapons so DICE wisely scrapped the idea as an unhappy community does not help your sales.

There is nothing wrong with keeping the fans happy. And as a fan there is nothing wrong in letting the developer know what you think.

What’s weird is that they expressly explained that they were not going to be doing pay for weapons in Battlefied Heroes and why it was a bad idea. A game by the same developer in the same franchise.
But they magicly forgot that sound design decision when it came to Bad Company (wich was a retail game as opposed to the free Heroes)?

]]> By: Shatner http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7857 Shatner Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:39:22 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7857 Everything is a cash in. That's why I find the misplaced idealism that so many gamers base their reactionary judgement calls on to be so "whiney". They simply don't think the situation through or consider a viewpoint other than their own personal gratification. Have a nice day! :D Everything is a cash in.

That’s why I find the misplaced idealism that so many gamers base their reactionary judgement calls on to be so “whiney”. They simply don’t think the situation through or consider a viewpoint other than their own personal gratification.

Have a nice day! :D

]]> By: DrDamn http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7849 DrDamn Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:11:49 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7849 @Shatner The "whiney" gamers were not simply anti-DLC - it was the manner and idea behind this particular DLC which was wrong. DLC is a valid way devs and publishers can get back some of the money they have been losing as costs spiral and game prices stay static or go down. It's fine by me, but it has to be valuable DLC and not cynical cash-ins. @Shatner
The “whiney” gamers were not simply anti-DLC - it was the manner and idea behind this particular DLC which was wrong.

DLC is a valid way devs and publishers can get back some of the money they have been losing as costs spiral and game prices stay static or go down. It’s fine by me, but it has to be valuable DLC and not cynical cash-ins.

]]> By: absolutezero http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7836 absolutezero Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:03:07 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7836 The DLC weapons were'nt actually straight out better than any of the other guns you could unlock, or even start with. Theres no "super" weapon for any of the classes unlike most other Battlefield games. If they were stronger in one area like Power, they would be less in another like ammo or accuracy. Which is why I dont understand why they were offered as DLC in the first place, theres no real incentive to go for them over ana above the normal unlock or Gold Edition weapons. The DLC weapons were’nt actually straight out better than any of the other guns you could unlock, or even start with. Theres no “super” weapon for any of the classes unlike most other Battlefield games. If they were stronger in one area like Power, they would be less in another like ammo or accuracy.

Which is why I dont understand why they were offered as DLC in the first place, theres no real incentive to go for them over ana above the normal unlock or Gold Edition weapons.

]]> By: patlike http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7835 patlike Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:47:55 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7835 I think companies like Criterion have a very sensible approach to DLC. I think the major problem here is that the weapons would have had a base-level affect from the start. You would have pretty much been forced to buy the weapons to be competitive right from the off. I think companies like Criterion have a very sensible approach to DLC. I think the major problem here is that the weapons would have had a base-level affect from the start. You would have pretty much been forced to buy the weapons to be competitive right from the off.

]]> By: absolutezero http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7834 absolutezero Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:25:02 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7834 The people that blew this out of proportion have obviouslt never played Ace Combat 6. Now that games DLC is taking the piss. Actually along with most Namco games. The people that blew this out of proportion have obviouslt never played Ace Combat 6. Now that games DLC is taking the piss. Actually along with most Namco games.

]]> By: pleasant_cabbage http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7833 pleasant_cabbage Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:59:47 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7833 No problem with premium dlc for maps etc but not for core gameplay bits and bobs (didn't chromehounds screw up on this front?). Something about this 'turnabout' smells like pr to me (let the gamers think they actually won on something that was never going to happen)... /foil hat No problem with premium dlc for maps etc but not for core gameplay bits and bobs (didn’t chromehounds screw up on this front?).

Something about this ‘turnabout’ smells like pr to me (let the gamers think they actually won on something that was never going to happen)…
/foil hat

]]> By: pjmaybe http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7832 pjmaybe Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:40:03 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7832 I guess they've got a right to be surprised considering they got away with milking previous BF games with some pretty piss-taking add-on packs. When will the industry learn? Microcontent is not the way to bolster game prices. I guess they’ve got a right to be surprised considering they got away with milking previous BF games with some pretty piss-taking add-on packs.

When will the industry learn? Microcontent is not the way to bolster game prices.

]]> By: OrphanageExplosion http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7831 OrphanageExplosion Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:36:28 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7831 The use of micro-transactions to give you a gaming advantage in an online title should be limited to the downloadable freebies, not a full price game. The use of micro-transactions to give you a gaming advantage in an online title should be limited to the downloadable freebies, not a full price game.

]]> By: patlike http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7826 patlike Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:07:24 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7826 Actually, I can't. It'll have to stay. Where's my money? *looks around cluelessly* Actually, I can’t. It’ll have to stay.

Where’s my money?

*looks around cluelessly*

]]> By: patlike http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7825 patlike Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:05:59 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7825 You're so right. Hang on. A quick edit... You’re so right. Hang on. A quick edit…

]]> By: Shatner http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7823 Shatner Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:03:51 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7823 Sensationalism is for LESSER sites Pat. Don't stoop to their levels. You're better than that! [virtual hug] [nicks wallet] Sensationalism is for LESSER sites Pat. Don’t stoop to their levels. You’re better than that!

[virtual hug]

[nicks wallet]

]]> By: patlike http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7822 patlike Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:03:12 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7822 And I agree with you, frankly. And I agree with you, frankly.

]]> By: patlike http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7821 patlike Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:02:52 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7821 It was supposed to be a play on politico headlines, but I failed :( It was supposed to be a play on politico headlines, but I failed :(

]]> By: Shatner http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7820 Shatner Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:01:47 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/04/30/dice-surprised-by-very-strong-reaction-to-battlefield-bad-company-cash-for-weapons-scandal/#comment-7820 Scandal? Hardly. Idealistic whiney gamers need to be reminded that game developers and publisher make games in order to make $$$$$. Gaming consoles are luxury goods. Indulging in a luxury hobby and then whining that it costs money is a fantastic display of misunderstanding. THAT is the scandal. But it happens every day so people are used to it. Scandal?

Hardly. Idealistic whiney gamers need to be reminded that game developers and publisher make games in order to make $$$$$.

Gaming consoles are luxury goods. Indulging in a luxury hobby and then whining that it costs money is a fantastic display of misunderstanding.

THAT is the scandal. But it happens every day so people are used to it.

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