Comments on: Greenberg savages Sony over delays and promises http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/ This is the news Fri, 16 May 2008 13:29:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: deanimate http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8657 deanimate Sat, 10 May 2008 16:18:48 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8657 exactly tonka, its been a one man assault by jam roast and did anyone listen psychotext? did - they - ...no, they didnt. be it on their heads. exactly tonka, its been a one man assault by jam roast and did anyone listen psychotext? did - they - …no, they didnt.
be it on their heads.

]]> By: Tonka http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8656 Tonka Sat, 10 May 2008 15:54:09 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8656 It's been fairly civilised on the western front lately. Then out of the blue this assault. He makes some good points, They <i>have</i> been fighting a phantom (not THE phantom mind) but some of it feels a bit rantish. It makes for good topics at least. It’s been fairly civilised on the western front lately. Then out of the blue this assault. He makes some good points, They have been fighting a phantom (not THE phantom mind) but some of it feels a bit rantish.

It makes for good topics at least.

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8650 Psychotext Sat, 10 May 2008 11:17:16 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8650 deanimate: Jam roast is a massive issue for Microsoft's sales strategy. I don't know why people are underplaying it. deanimate: Jam roast is a massive issue for Microsoft’s sales strategy. I don’t know why people are underplaying it.

]]> By: deanimate http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8647 deanimate Sat, 10 May 2008 09:25:08 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8647 really? i didn't think there were that many other people out there who liked jam roast? hmm really? i didn’t think there were that many other people out there who liked jam roast?
hmm

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8636 Psychotext Sat, 10 May 2008 01:26:26 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8636 deanimate: I think you're the perfect example of what Greenberg is ranting about. ;) deanimate: I think you’re the perfect example of what Greenberg is ranting about. ;)

]]> By: deanimate http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8630 deanimate Sat, 10 May 2008 00:31:00 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8630 i just have a wii right now but am more impressed with the PS3 than 360 and think it has a lot more potential. looking at the PS2 also suggests that the PS3 will get there and be pretty darn successful. guess we'll soon see eh. by soon i actually mean not even remotely soon, more like 2 years or so but soon rhymes with moon so JAM ROAST! i just have a wii right now but am more impressed with the PS3 than 360 and think it has a lot more potential. looking at the PS2 also suggests that the PS3 will get there and be pretty darn successful.
guess we’ll soon see eh.
by soon i actually mean not even remotely soon, more like 2 years or so but soon rhymes with moon so JAM ROAST!

]]> By: XDamage http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8627 XDamage Fri, 09 May 2008 23:06:47 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8627 I don't think most people who think the PS3 has under delivered even own one. I own one, and I don't feel that it has under delivered. It gives me exactly what I was looking for, I know that there is more to come, and I'm not going crazy over the fact that it doesn't completely obliterate the 360. On the other side, there is no such thing as an honest PR person, they all bend the truth so that people will buy their product, that is their job. It seems like people expect all the great games and features to be delivered NOW. Do these people not understand business at all? What would happen if everything got released now, and nothing more for the next 6 months? My point is that some people have to understand that the average consumer doesn't care about these things, just fanboys arguing on the internet. Most people buy it because they want to play the newest games in certain franchises, or they buy it as a blu-ray player, or both, or for some other feature. Sony, nor any other company for that matter, can satisfy everyone, on every point, and the fact is, they don't have to. The PS3 is doing quite well for itself regardless, and increasingly so. I don’t think most people who think the PS3 has under delivered even own one. I own one, and I don’t feel that it has under delivered. It gives me exactly what I was looking for, I know that there is more to come, and I’m not going crazy over the fact that it doesn’t completely obliterate the 360.

On the other side, there is no such thing as an honest PR person, they all bend the truth so that people will buy their product, that is their job.
It seems like people expect all the great games and features to be delivered NOW. Do these people not understand business at all? What would happen if everything got released now, and nothing more for the next 6 months?

My point is that some people have to understand that the average consumer doesn’t care about these things, just fanboys arguing on the internet. Most people buy it because they want to play the newest games in certain franchises, or they buy it as a blu-ray player, or both, or for some other feature.

Sony, nor any other company for that matter, can satisfy everyone, on every point, and the fact is, they don’t have to. The PS3 is doing quite well for itself regardless, and increasingly so.

]]> By: Shatner http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8626 Shatner Fri, 09 May 2008 22:07:17 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8626 Good grief. Tonka, if that's you, you're not funny. Good grief.

Tonka, if that’s you, you’re not funny.

]]> By: mortiferus http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8620 mortiferus Fri, 09 May 2008 18:44:14 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8620 Amen Brother Aaron! It's all quite true. Sony has over promised and way under delivered... It's hilarious, KillZone 2 graphics are now barely a notch above COD4 instead of the amazing CGI they showed way back in the day! 1080P native, only on a handful of games and the mighty cell and 50GB of blue-ray have not lived up to much. It's amazing, three years ago I though PS3 would crush, out-class 360 but here we are and 360 is and will continue to be better than PS3. From what has been shown, Gears 2 will look three times as good as Killzone 2! Further demonstrating that Xenos owns RSX! Amen Brother Aaron! It’s all quite true. Sony has over promised and way under delivered…

It’s hilarious, KillZone 2 graphics are now barely a notch above COD4 instead of the amazing CGI they showed way back in the day! 1080P native, only on a handful of games and the mighty cell and 50GB of blue-ray have not lived up to much.

It’s amazing, three years ago I though PS3 would crush, out-class 360 but here we are and 360 is and will continue to be better than PS3.

From what has been shown, Gears 2 will look three times as good as Killzone 2! Further demonstrating that Xenos owns RSX!

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8616 Psychotext Fri, 09 May 2008 17:48:10 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8616 Tonka: Perhaps they thought it's a good idea to copy Reeves from Sony. It certainly works for Europe. =) Tonka: Perhaps they thought it’s a good idea to copy Reeves from Sony. It certainly works for Europe. =)

]]> By: SveXo http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8614 SveXo Fri, 09 May 2008 17:30:55 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8614 Why doesn't anyone ever bring up Nintendo when talking bout sales numbers? Because from the beginning Nintendo's deal was that they were not going to compete with Sony or Microsoft but that people would either buy a Wii and a PS3 or a Wii and a 360. If your not competing with the Wii why would you care what they do? That does, however, bring up the point; what then, did Microsoft make a clone of the Wiimote? Why doesn’t anyone ever bring up Nintendo when talking bout sales numbers?
Because from the beginning Nintendo’s deal was that they were not going to compete with Sony or Microsoft but that people would either buy a Wii and a PS3 or a Wii and a 360. If your not competing with the Wii why would you care what they do? That does, however, bring up the point; what then, did Microsoft make a clone of the Wiimote?

]]> By: morriss http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8613 morriss Fri, 09 May 2008 17:30:07 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8613 You can take away all of my internet privileges but you can't really argue with a word of it. You can take away all of my internet privileges but you can’t really argue with a word of it.

]]> By: Tonka http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8612 Tonka Fri, 09 May 2008 17:22:46 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8612 Why does he feel it's necessary to come off like such a dick at this moment in time? Are they getting nervous? Anyone read TINTIN "The Broken Ear"? There's a scene close to the end that always pops into my mind when Sony and MS are laying into each other. Why does he feel it’s necessary to come off like such a dick at this moment in time? Are they getting nervous?

Anyone read TINTIN “The Broken Ear”? There’s a scene close to the end that always pops into my mind when Sony and MS are laying into each other.

]]> By: Hero of Canton http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8610 Hero of Canton Fri, 09 May 2008 16:18:13 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8610 <i>I agree with him. And I don’t think the PS3 is a bad machine, but I hope that Sony stop trying to hype their product up unless they can 100% deliver on it. They’ve made so many promises which simply seem like placeholders to compete with Microsoft. I don’t know how they got it so wrong. Maybe for the next console they’ll forget their media hub dreams, and concentrate on making a games console.</i> This. Greenberg's rant comes across as a case of frustration to me a little. A bit like he's saying "why do people persist on buying PS3s based on false promises?" almost. It's interesting to wonder whether things would be different had MS not had the hardware problems. I agree with him. And I don’t think the PS3 is a bad machine, but I hope that Sony stop trying to hype their product up unless they can 100% deliver on it. They’ve made so many promises which simply seem like placeholders to compete with Microsoft. I don’t know how they got it so wrong. Maybe for the next console they’ll forget their media hub dreams, and concentrate on making a games console.

This. Greenberg’s rant comes across as a case of frustration to me a little. A bit like he’s saying “why do people persist on buying PS3s based on false promises?” almost.

It’s interesting to wonder whether things would be different had MS not had the hardware problems.

]]> By: G1GAHURTZ http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8609 G1GAHURTZ Fri, 09 May 2008 15:31:08 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8609 You can't argue with that. You can’t argue with that.

]]> By: Zumi http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8603 Zumi Fri, 09 May 2008 13:59:57 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8603 Checklist for the PS4 - 1. Cheaper. Price makes a difference, it's absolutely vital. 2. Easy (and therefore cheaper) to develop for. 3. Unashamedly rip off Xbox Live. Hey, it's not like Microsoft never ripped anything off, is it? Have no pride. 4. Support the online store. Games have been alright, but they're sitting on a huge pile of PS1 games. If I were them, I'd been shovelling new games on every week. Make PS2 games available too, eh? 5. No bullshit. No CGI tech demos, no unfulfilled promised. Checklist for the PS4 -

1. Cheaper. Price makes a difference, it’s absolutely vital.

2. Easy (and therefore cheaper) to develop for.

3. Unashamedly rip off Xbox Live. Hey, it’s not like Microsoft never ripped anything off, is it? Have no pride.

4. Support the online store. Games have been alright, but they’re sitting on a huge pile of PS1 games. If I were them, I’d been shovelling new games on every week. Make PS2 games available too, eh?

5. No bullshit. No CGI tech demos, no unfulfilled promised.

]]> By: DrDamn http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8602 DrDamn Fri, 09 May 2008 13:51:08 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8602 Sony have lost a lot due to over promising and under delivering while MS have pootled along constantly delivering (aside from good build quality ;). There's not much he's said there that you can disagree with. RE: Ignoring Nintendo with sales figures - it is a different kettle of fish. Sony have lost a lot due to over promising and under delivering while MS have pootled along constantly delivering (aside from good build quality ;). There’s not much he’s said there that you can disagree with.

RE: Ignoring Nintendo with sales figures - it is a different kettle of fish.

]]> By: Zumi http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8601 Zumi Fri, 09 May 2008 13:42:34 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8601 I agree with him. And I don't think the PS3 is a bad machine, but I hope that Sony stop trying to hype their product up unless they can 100% deliver on it. They've made so many promises which simply seem like placeholders to compete with Microsoft. I don't know how they got it so wrong. Maybe for the next console they'll forget their media hub dreams, and concentrate on making a games console. I agree with him. And I don’t think the PS3 is a bad machine, but I hope that Sony stop trying to hype their product up unless they can 100% deliver on it. They’ve made so many promises which simply seem like placeholders to compete with Microsoft. I don’t know how they got it so wrong. Maybe for the next console they’ll forget their media hub dreams, and concentrate on making a games console.

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8600 Psychotext Fri, 09 May 2008 13:29:40 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8600 Because Nintendo crushes all! (they both like to think Nintendo is in a different market) Because Nintendo crushes all!

(they both like to think Nintendo is in a different market)

]]> By: Chinster http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8599 Chinster Fri, 09 May 2008 13:28:56 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8599 How come they always ignore Nintendo when shouting about sales figures? :D How come they always ignore Nintendo when shouting about sales figures?

:D

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8598 Psychotext Fri, 09 May 2008 13:25:48 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/09/greenberg-savages-sony-over-delays-and-promises/#comment-8598 Noticed this towards the end... "Today Xbox 360 has a 5-million-unit console sales lead on a global basis based on most recently public reported data from both companies. This includes more than double the installed base in the US according to actual NPD sell-through and over a 1-million-unit lead across Europe also based on reported sell-through from Chart Track and GfK." Looks like MS don't agree that they've been outsold in Europe. Shipped vs sold perhaps? Noticed this towards the end…

“Today Xbox 360 has a 5-million-unit console sales lead on a global basis based on most recently public reported data from both companies. This includes more than double the installed base in the US according to actual NPD sell-through and over a 1-million-unit lead across Europe also based on reported sell-through from Chart Track and GfK.”

Looks like MS don’t agree that they’ve been outsold in Europe. Shipped vs sold perhaps?

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