Comments on: New Banjo will shake up “stale” platform adventuring genre, says Rare http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/ This is the news Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:17:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Psychotext http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9562 Psychotext Thu, 15 May 2008 13:38:07 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9562 \o/ \o/

]]> By: pjmaybe http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9561 pjmaybe Thu, 15 May 2008 13:32:37 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9561 /misses UncleClive http://lolrare.ytmnd.com/ /misses UncleClive

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]]> By: deanimate http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9560 deanimate Thu, 15 May 2008 13:30:48 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9560 better get some vaseline in here and quick. better get some vaseline in here and quick.

]]> By: Blerk http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9559 Blerk Thu, 15 May 2008 13:24:28 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9559 Ooh, get her! ;-) Ooh, get her! ;-)

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9557 Psychotext Thu, 15 May 2008 13:18:41 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9557 /waves at George K Ignore Blerk. He hates everything. /waves at George K

Ignore Blerk. He hates everything.

]]> By: George K. http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9555 George K. Thu, 15 May 2008 13:13:28 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9555 @ Blerk FYI: the comment you quote from C&VG is taken from the very same source Pat links to in this article. I urge you to read the source before either linking out or jumping to conclusions on what we think makes the game innovative. @ Blerk

FYI: the comment you quote from C&VG is taken from the very same source Pat links to in this article. I urge you to read the source before either linking out or jumping to conclusions on what we think makes the game innovative.

]]> By: Blerk http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9549 Blerk Thu, 15 May 2008 12:35:35 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9549 Here's a nice figure for you: Banjo 3 gaming balance - 20% platforming, 80% vehicles http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=189036 I sense a fanboy storm a brewin'! :-D Here’s a nice figure for you:
Banjo 3 gaming balance - 20% platforming, 80% vehicles

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=189036

I sense a fanboy storm a brewin’! :-D

]]> By: absolutezero http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9539 absolutezero Thu, 15 May 2008 12:05:24 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9539 I do agree that refinement is far far more important than innovation for innovations sake. Adding in lots of little new ideas though serve to shake things up alot. GTA3 was'nt really a refinement of anything though. I do agree that refinement is far far more important than innovation for innovations sake. Adding in lots of little new ideas though serve to shake things up alot.

GTA3 was’nt really a refinement of anything though.

]]> By: ecu http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9538 ecu Thu, 15 May 2008 12:03:08 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9538 Depends what you class as innovative, then, absolutezero. Z-targetting and shield recharging are new features, but the games are really just ultimate refinements of existing ideas imo. Depends what you class as innovative, then, absolutezero. Z-targetting and shield recharging are new features, but the games are really just ultimate refinements of existing ideas imo.

]]> By: DUFFKING http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9537 DUFFKING Thu, 15 May 2008 12:02:45 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9537 I think those kinds of games do have some originality, but never on a massive scale. As mentioned with Halo, the little things made all the difference - (AFAIK) the best vehicle implementation in an FPS, the recharge shields, the melee system and having grenades on a button rather than a seperate weapon were all new ideas. I think those kinds of games do have some originality, but never on a massive scale. As mentioned with Halo, the little things made all the difference - (AFAIK) the best vehicle implementation in an FPS, the recharge shields, the melee system and having grenades on a button rather than a seperate weapon were all new ideas.

]]> By: absolutezero http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9535 absolutezero Thu, 15 May 2008 11:59:32 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9535 "Ocarina of Time wasn’t innovative, Halo wasn’t, FFVII wasn’t, GTAIII wasn’t, none of the best games are ever innovative." You sure about that? Ocarina of Time was the first 3D Zelda and it created the Z tageting scheme. Halo created the silly re-charging shield nonsense. FF7 was the first big RPG to take advantage of the extra storage space of a CD, it was a huge epic sweeping tale, especially in comparison to the SNES games that came before. GTA3 created an entire genre. “Ocarina of Time wasn’t innovative, Halo wasn’t, FFVII wasn’t, GTAIII wasn’t, none of the best games are ever innovative.”

You sure about that?

Ocarina of Time was the first 3D Zelda and it created the Z tageting scheme. Halo created the silly re-charging shield nonsense. FF7 was the first big RPG to take advantage of the extra storage space of a CD, it was a huge epic sweeping tale, especially in comparison to the SNES games that came before. GTA3 created an entire genre.

]]> By: morriss http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9534 morriss Thu, 15 May 2008 11:59:25 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9534 Can't argue with that, ecu. Fair play. Can’t argue with that, ecu. Fair play.

]]> By: absolutezero http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9533 absolutezero Thu, 15 May 2008 11:55:42 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9533 Little Big Banjo using coloured lines to attack things to other things and drop them into the game world. INNOVATION. Little Big Banjo using coloured lines to attack things to other things and drop them into the game world.

INNOVATION.

]]> By: ecu http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9532 ecu Thu, 15 May 2008 11:55:41 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9532 Wrong on both counts. Just because a game doesn't have some new features, doesn't mean it's the same old thing. The best games never innovated anyway. Ocarina of Time wasn't innovative, Halo wasn't, FFVII wasn't, GTAIII wasn't, none of the best games are ever innovative. It's the refinement of ideas that makes the best games. Almost all of the games that you might think were innovative, nearly always had an unknown game that preceded it. That a game should be innovative is one of the popular myths of gaming, up there with "gameplay is the only thing that matters". Wrong on both counts. Just because a game doesn’t have some new features, doesn’t mean it’s the same old thing. The best games never innovated anyway. Ocarina of Time wasn’t innovative, Halo wasn’t, FFVII wasn’t, GTAIII wasn’t, none of the best games are ever innovative. It’s the refinement of ideas that makes the best games. Almost all of the games that you might think were innovative, nearly always had an unknown game that preceded it. That a game should be innovative is one of the popular myths of gaming, up there with “gameplay is the only thing that matters”.

]]> By: G1GAHURTZ http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9530 G1GAHURTZ Thu, 15 May 2008 11:52:37 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9530 "Again though, somebody PLEASE explain why it’s so important for games to be innovative and groundbreaking? I’m sick of hearing about it." It's important for publishers and developers so that their game becomes the genre defining experience that can't be found anywhere else. I don't think that it's all that important for all gamers though. I'm sure many people would still rather play a 2D platformer over the latest stuff anyway. “Again though, somebody PLEASE explain why it’s so important for games to be innovative and groundbreaking? I’m sick of hearing about it.”

It’s important for publishers and developers so that their game becomes the genre defining experience that can’t be found anywhere else.

I don’t think that it’s all that important for all gamers though. I’m sure many people would still rather play a 2D platformer over the latest stuff anyway.

]]> By: morriss http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9528 morriss Thu, 15 May 2008 11:49:50 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9528 Because some people get bored of playing the same old thing? Because if it games didn't attempt this the genres would become stale? I dunno, makes sense to me. Because some people get bored of playing the same old thing? Because if it games didn’t attempt this the genres would become stale?

I dunno, makes sense to me.

]]> By: ecu http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9527 ecu Thu, 15 May 2008 11:46:37 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9527 Jack and Daxter was fairly groundbreaking, and nobody gave a shit about that. Again though, somebody PLEASE explain why it's so important for games to be innovative and groundbreaking? I'm sick of hearing about it. Jack and Daxter was fairly groundbreaking, and nobody gave a shit about that. Again though, somebody PLEASE explain why it’s so important for games to be innovative and groundbreaking? I’m sick of hearing about it.

]]> By: Blerk http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9526 Blerk Thu, 15 May 2008 11:41:20 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9526 By adding cars! And weapons! Yes! INNOVATION! By adding cars! And weapons! Yes! INNOVATION!

]]> By: ecu http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9525 ecu Thu, 15 May 2008 11:41:11 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9525 SMG was a revelation. SMG was a revelation.

]]> By: pjmaybe http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9524 pjmaybe Thu, 15 May 2008 11:40:29 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9524 "characters to talk to" Oh bugger, I was looking vaguely forward to this until I read this bit. NO TALK, JUST ACTION DOCTOR JONES “characters to talk to”

Oh bugger, I was looking vaguely forward to this until I read this bit.

NO TALK, JUST ACTION DOCTOR JONES

]]> By: morriss http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9523 morriss Thu, 15 May 2008 11:35:20 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9523 Well it wasn't exactly ground-breaking. Well it wasn’t exactly ground-breaking.

]]> By: G1GAHURTZ http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9522 G1GAHURTZ Thu, 15 May 2008 11:31:24 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/15/new-banjo-will-shake-up-stale-platform-adventuring-genre-says-rare/#comment-9522 I don't think Mario Galaxy was very stale. I don’t think Mario Galaxy was very stale.

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