Comments on: LittleBigPlanet is a 9/10, says Eurogamer [update]

By: pjmaybe

pjmaybe — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:06:43 +0000

I always thought mouse and keyboard support would be nice too. But having played with the tools, I can see why they didn’t go down that route. I think it’d ruin the way people have produced hacked up shapes and rather imperfect designs, which sort of fit with the rest of LBP’s look and feel.

Modifier keys and a bit of consistency right across the board would’ve been very cool though.

By: Quiiick

Quiiick — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:51:08 +0000

There are several things LBP could learn from the Photoshop-interface. Especially the use of modifier-keys (option-key on my Mac).

For instance: Creating an object in LBP is done by using the X-button. In order to delete/cut-out the same object you need to use the triange-button.

It believe it would be more intuitive to use a modifier-key here: so instead of the triange-button you would use (for example) R2 + X-button for the” delete/cut-out” function.

This is a very minor tweak, I know, but this way you could have several “reverse” functions always having the same modifier-key which makes the UI more consistant.

Again:
ADDING: X-button
DELETING: X-button + modifier-key

By: Johnny Cullen

Johnny Cullen — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:11:30 +0000

Your welcome Pat =D

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:59:58 +0000

Ta Johnny. Added an update.

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:54:53 +0000

PT - Yeah, will be, I reckon.

By: absolutezero

absolutezero — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:51:40 +0000

Its nicer here anyway :p

apart from morriss

By: Psychotext

Psychotext — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:51:24 +0000

Strange… for a while you shared IP addresses. Maybe the load balancer or something.

By: Johnny Cullen

Johnny Cullen — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:50:17 +0000

“Eurogamer hamster on life support, condition is critical”

Euroginny Pronounced Dead.

1999 - 2008.

Back on topic with LBP, IGN has posted their review, written and video!

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/919/919111p1.html

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:49:06 +0000

But yeah, probably not quite so scathing

Yeah, we’re on a different box. Always have been.

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:48:14 +0000

If I had a link to the giveaway page I’d put something up.

By: Psychotext

Psychotext — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:47:44 +0000

I’d wager he likes his job a little too much to rock that particular boat.

On a related note. Did they move you guys to another server? It seems that you’re no longer having trouble when EG do. You certainly have different IP addresses now.

By: absolutezero

absolutezero — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:44:50 +0000

I think you should make a news post pat. Something along the lines of EGs beta test makes them look like idiots. FOR THE NTH FUCKING TIME. and at the sametime manages to anger the regulars that provide constant page clicks through the forum and actually reading reviews.

DO IT.

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:40:25 +0000

lolol

By: Psychotext

Psychotext — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:38:18 +0000

Back to the drawing board EG. Make a news story Pat.

“Eurogamer hamster on life support, condition is critical”

By: Tonka

Tonka — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:37:33 +0000

SNAFU

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:37:14 +0000

All I’m getting now is:

Error 503 Service Unavailable

Error talking to backend
Guru Meditation:

XID: 187652233
Varnish

By: Psychotext

Psychotext — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:25:24 +0000

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:24:17 +0000

Just loaded for me. Pretty slow though.

By: absolutezero

absolutezero — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:23:13 +0000

;_; I have to go to work in about an hour. Bets on if it’ll be back by then?

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:20:59 +0000

Ah, you see, it is circular. You can argue that better equipment does yield better results, etc.

I’m going to do some work

By: Psychotext

Psychotext — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:20:25 +0000

It’s utterly flattened. So much for their upgrades and changes.

Nick must be weeping over a dead hamster right now.

By: pjmaybe

pjmaybe — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:17:50 +0000

Speaking of EG, which we weren’t, bang zoom there she goes again…

Beta keys FTW!

By: Shatner

Shatner — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:15:45 +0000

It’s not circular patlike, it’s linear and it ends with me being proved right.

I think that the term ‘enthusiast’ is a very important one. If you’re not a game-design enthusiast then it’s unlikely that LBP or any set of game design tools will light your fire.

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:14:22 +0000

G1 - Yep, you’re right, of course. The final answer in the photo argument is always that better cameras, lenses, etc, don’t take better pictures, but they do make it easier to take better pictures.

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:08:55 +0000

PT - I’m working on a tune at the moment. I’ll post it when it’s finished

By: G1GAHURTZ

G1GAHURTZ — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:06:53 +0000

“There’s a constant drive among enthusiasts to buy better and better equipment - at huge cost - in the assumption that it’ll make photographs better.”

Yeah, but when it comes to level building, better tools can create a much better workflow, leading to a much improved creative process and much more quality being produced over a shorter space of time.

That’s just the opinion of someone who’s used about 8/9 iterations of Max and Photoshop and who finds it enjoyable doing things in seconds that used to take much longer.

By: Psychotext

Psychotext — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:06:41 +0000

If this thread has done one thing… it’s made me want to listen to Pat’s music.

Give!

By: Tonka

Tonka — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:56:31 +0000

Bluray is a waste of money.

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:54:10 +0000

Shatner - It’s a circular argument photography hobbyists fight about perpetually. There’s a constant drive among enthusiasts to buy better and better equipment - at huge cost - in the assumption that it’ll make photographs better.

It doesn’t, of course. A Sydney Morning Herald photographer told me a story once about his friend - a famous snapper - who was waiting in the editorial office for his boss, when one of the journalists shouted over, “That camera’s amazing. I bet it takes brilliant photos.”

To which he replied, “That computer’s amazing. I bet it writes brilliant words.”

By: patlike

patlike — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:45:02 +0000

Vincent - I think we’re both saying the same thing, essentially. The point I was trying to make was that if a system allows for incredible results you want to achieve, you’ll learn to master the system until you achieve them.

If you don’t want to make a LittleBigPlanet level, you’re not going to have a tinker then suddenly decide you do, no matter how “knot” free the UI is. It doesn’t make any difference to me how good the UI is: I’m never going to make an LBP level because I don’t want to. If I did, I wouldn’t mind if the creation system was complex, a bit broken, or whatever: I’d learn how to do it anyway.

“Will” and “singleminded perseverance” are similar, it’s true

To be honest, what I think a lot of what’s happening here is what Shatner said at the beginning of the thread: creating a “fun” game is extremely difficult no matter what the UI used in actually developing it.

See also: writing a book, making trance in Cubase, editing video, etc etc etc.